Debates "Rūķi ir labāki". Noliedzošie., "Parunasim par Debatem" Opcijas

[Aziren]

Sveiki visapkart un visiem, kas ietilps shai debashu komnada.
Jeb tieshak sveiciens musus priekshniekam un kapteinim Farliner un protams musu parejiem biedriem Mateass, Zanete un man pasham Aziren....
ceru, ka nevienu nepiemirsu...

Nu ta tad mes varetu pamazam sakt kaut ko darit....
apspriest idejas...
kas ir par un kas pret...

lai nav ta, ka kadam vienam no mums kaut kas ir jadruka un jadara un citi vienkarshi ripinas gurki...[neuztveriet par apvainojumu]

Cik sapratu, tad vairakusm nolema runat par temu:
Vai hobitu civilizācija bija attīstīta zemāk par rūķu?

musu uzdevums ir pieradit, ka Hobbitu civilizacija nebija zemaka attistibas posma neka Ruku civilizacija....

gaidu ieteikumus un atsauksmes...

sevis pasha domas iepostoshu mazlte velak...mana galva shobrid varas ar citam domam....
rit iepostoshu...centishos....

ar cienu Aziren...

Šo rakstu rediģēja Aziren: 27.04.2005 17:41

[Aziren]

esiet sveicinati godajamie debashu tiesneshi un pretinieku komandas biedri, ka ari tie cilveki, kas vero shis debates.

Te bus ari musu komandas atbilde uz pretinieku komandas iesutito rakstu.
Shoreiz mes neizteiksim nekadas turpinoshas idejas, ka to darija pretinieku komanda, bet tgan vienkarshi atspekosim vinu teikto ar saviem argumentiem.


Parrunajot pretinieku komandas iesutito rakstu mes nonacam pie shada sledziena:

1. Pretinieku komnada uzsver to, ka Ruku civilizacijas parakums ir taja, ka viniem ir militarais parspeks ierochu razoshana. Ruki ir piedalijushie dadzos karos un pieradijushi sevi, ka specigu karotaju tautu. Pretstatot tam mes varam teikt, ka Hobbiti sava laika, kad norisinajas karsh pret Sauronu[kura Tam tika nocirsts pirksts ar visu gredzenu], Hobbiti sutija savas locinieku vienibas paliga Karalim. Pieejamajos gramatu materialos tiek atzimets, ka Hobbiti vajadzibas gadijuma speja atraidit orku uzbrukumu savam teritorijam, ko vini ari prasmigi realizeja, kad tam radas vajadziba. Ir jamin ari fakts no musu pashu pasaules vestures, ka piemeram Romas Imperija tika sagrauta no zemak attisttu barabaru puses. Lidzigu piemeru mes varam rast ari no mongiliem, kas biaj augsti militari attistiti, be zemaki sava civilizacijas attistiba, neka tie kurus vini iekaroja vai iznicinaja. Ta ka mes uzskatam, ka par civilizacijas attistibu nevar spriest pec tas karotspejam un ierochu razoshanas spejam. Hobbiti sava butiba bija miermiligi zemkopji, kas dzivoja citadaku dzives veidu, sava butiba daudz ienesigaku un izdevigaku. Ar mazakiem personu zaudejumiem.

2.
Atspekojos pretinieku komandas apgalvojumam, ka Ruku arhitektura norada uz to augsto civilizaciju mes nonacam pie shada sprieduma. Mes uzskatam, ka Hobbitiem nebija vajadzibas pec shada veida buvem. Hobbiti bija zemkopju un lopkoju civilizacija. Viniem nebija vajadzibas pec megalitiskam zalem un milzigam shahtam. Vini nebija kalnrachi, ka Ruki. Vinu majokli bij loti praktiski un erti Hobbitu dzives veidam. Viņu majoklu buvniecibas veidz un stilss bija smalki izstaradats un izkopts lidz sikumam, lai majas iedzivotajs jsutos majas erti un konfortabli. Vini ari ruopejas par apkartnes vizualo skatumu preteji ruku kantainibai un aukstumam.
Sheit bus citats:
"It had a perfectly round door like a porthole, painted green, with a shiny yellow brass knob in the exact middle. The door opened on to a tube-shaped hall like a tunnel: a very comfortable tunnel without smoke, with panelled walls, and floors tiled and carpeted, provided with polished chairs, and lots and lots of pegs for hats and coats - the hobbit was fond of visitors. The tunnel wound on and on, going fairly but not quite straight into the side of the hill - The Hill, as all the people for many miles round called it - and many little round doors opened out of it, first on one side and then on another. No going upstairs for the hobbit: bedrooms, bathrooms, cellars, pantries (lots of these), wardrobes (he had whole rooms devoted to clothes), kitchens, dining-rooms, all were on the same floor, and indeed on the same passage. The best rooms were all on the left-hand side (going in), for these were the only ones to have windows, deep-set round windows looking over his garden and meadows beyond, sloping down to the river."
/ JRRT: "The Hobbit" Chapter I: An Unexpected Party/

Mes uskatam, ka Hobbitiem nebija nepiecieshamibas pec tada veida buvem, kadas veidoja ruki. Uzskatam, ka vajadzibas gadijuma Hobbiti uzsaktu attiecigu darbibu velamo merku sasniegshanai. Domajam, ka Hobbiti izvelejas citu attistibas celu neka ruki, jo shish viniem likas tikamak un izdevigaks.

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Ka nakamais, kam mes veletos kerties klat butu pretinieku komandas atbilde meginajumu atspekot musu izteiktas idejas.
Mes uskatam, ka pretinieku komandas atpspekoshanas meginajums ir kludains un aplams, jo:
1.
Par Hobbitu apgerbu:
citatts: "Sam gripped him by the jacket, and dragged him from under the root; and then with difficulty hauled him on to the bank. Almost at once he woke, and coughed and spluttered."
/ Lotr, Felowship of the Ring, Chapter 6, The old forest/
varu piebilst to, ka musu pasaule zzaketes paradas tikai 19.gs.

2.
Par Bilbo un Frodo bagatibu. M es uzskatam par aplamu otras komandas noliegumu musu izvirzitajai domai un uzskatam, ka Bilbo bagatiba nak tikai no rukiem! Bilbo gimene jau pirms visas The Hobbit darbibas bija viena no turigakajam gimenem apkaime. Par to vioen liecina tas, ka Bilbo iepikr partiku no citiem un pats nestradaj un ari tas, ka pie vina kalpoja Sema tevs.
sheit bus citats, kas to apstipirna:
" This hobbit was a very well-to-do hobbit, and his name was Baggins. The Bagginses had lived in the neighbourhood of The Hill for time out of mind, and people considered them very respectable, not only because most of them were rich, but also because they never had any adventures or did anything unexpected: you could tell what a Baggins would say on any question without the bother of asking him."
/JRRT: "The Hobbit" Chapter I: An Unexpected Party/



tas uz sho bridi butu viss no musu komandas puses...

veiksmi pretinieku komandai....

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citatu avoti:
JRRT: "The Hobbit" Chapter I: An Unexpected Party
JRRT: "The Hobbit" Chapter I: An Unexpected Party
Lotr, Felowship of the Ring, Chapter 6, The old forest

Šo rakstu rediģēja Aziren: 05.05.2005 17:34